I am a new Zibbet member, and still a basic member. The work I have listed here is all chainmaille jewelry. I coil and cut the rings by hand. Currently, I am using copper wire and tinned copper wire. However, both of these oxidize and become discolored, particularly with frequent use. I am concerned that my prices are scaring people away from paying for copper jewelry. However, I find my prices fair because of the labor and craftsmanship I put into each piece. How do I communicate that in my shop? Should I lower my prices? Going much lower would feel like I was underpaying myself for my time. Any help or suggestions are welcome! Thanks for your time!
www.zibbet.com/cosmoshandmade
Tags: craftsmanship, labor, materials, pricing
Share Twitter Facebook
xg.addOnRequire(function () { xg.post('/main/viewcount/update?xn_out=json', {key: '3935368:Topic:497470', x: '9621932'}); }); Views: 212
? Reply to This
Replies to This Discussion

Permalink Reply by strawberryfieldsArtJewelryBeadsn on Tuesday
Hi Nel,
Your chainmail is good, but I think I agree, some of it may be just a little overpriced by about $5.00 to 10.00 per item for the more simple patterns. The Byzantine chains are much more difficult to work with than some of the other more simple chainmail patterns so you could give a price break for the more simple patterns [less time to make]. If you're not using gemstones or sterling silver your work won't command the prices that will benefit you in the labor department, and on the same hand, the prices for gems and sterling is higher so it's difficult to assess the trade off some times - it just makes the work more desirable to a greater audience. I also make my own rings for jewelry and earrings with solid copper and SS wire and I price those higher than the things I make using silver plated findings. I'm fully aware of how much time I put into bead weaving and some of my other work that I will never be able to get back mostly - unfortunately - because of the competition of imports. For instance, I recently saw a sale on jewelry at a local department store - $9.99 for gemstones and SS! You could tell some indigent child made it in a third world country, but some people don't notice, or realize this, or just don't care.
I've been at Zibbet for six months now and I've been promoting, but the traffic just isn't very good without The Find or Google feeds - I have a 50/50 split in traffic between fb and within Zibbet, but I haven't sold anything here - my prices are fair, my materials are good - I know because I sell the same items elsewhere. To tell the truth, I think some of my prices are too 'cheap' - but still no sales on Zibbet. Since you are basic, I'd stay there until you make some sales with the re-build etc coming. I recently requested a partial refund of my yearly payment because I wanted to devote my time elsewhere [I think the changes should be put into effect NOW rather than later] and I was gently and respectfully informed there is no partial refund available. I was also encouraged in that response that Zibbet is just getting on board with Google, the rebuild coming after the first of the year will allow guests to purchase, and there are some other good changes coming.
You may get lucky like some of the other new comers who've sold several things only days after signing on with Zibbet because your jewelry is nicely done.
Good luck to you - and welcome to Zibbet! Kathleen
StrawberryfieldsArtJewelryBeadsNMore
? Reply

Permalink Reply by Nel Cooper on Tuesday
Thanks, Kathleen! That's what I've been thinking and it feels good to hear someone else in the industry agree. I'll have to reduce my prices until I get better materials, and even then, I might have to compromise some. It's sort of a shame, really, that some folks don't get the value of completely handmade pieces and the time that goes into them.
Thanks for looking at my shop and taking the time to respond. - Nel Cooper
? Reply

Permalink Reply by strawberryfieldsArtJewelryBeadsn on Tuesday
You're welcome Nel. It helps when you can bounce things off someone else instead of ideas just rattling around in your head making one batty and not going far! LOL
? Reply

Permalink Reply by Emily/ExquisiteStudiosII on Wednesday
Well wait a minute. You can't and shouldn't compare Handmade items to whatever is in the retail market. It's not the same by a long shot. What you should do, is point out in your title, item description and tags that YOU do all the work from the beginning. There's merit in that and it certainly does have value. When you as the Artisan underplay these values, it will in fact, work against you. People may start to wonder about the quality of your materials. It's the perceived-value that's at play here as well. It's not a gimmick, it's the honest truth.
You're right about people not always understanding the value of everything you do as an Artisan--that's precisely why it's ever-important to tell them, educate them. It makes a huge difference.
? Reply

Permalink Reply by Nel Cooper on Wednesday
I like that. Thank you, Emily, for stopping by my shop and sharing your thoughts. I agree that handmade artisan work should be acknowledged as handmade artisan work. I guess it's time to look at my shop and makes some information changes.
? Reply

Permalink Reply by strawberryfieldsArtJewelryBeadsn on Wednesday
Hi Emily,
Yes, you are so right - I did not mean to imply that our artisan items are the same as imports - I'm sorry if it came across that way, it was an unintended, misunderstanding of my comment -- educate, educate, educate - the value of our items comes directly from educating people about the importance and value of handcrafted jewelry, crocheted, or sewn things or whatever it is that you craft. And that is why we are ALL selling within an ARTISAN - HANDCRAFTED website. People venturing into Zibbet already know this is the place to find handcrafted goods.
I believe what I was trying to convey is that many people either DON'T KNOW or DON'T CARE that items shown in department stores they walk into that are selling at ridiculously low prices are being made by children in third world countries that are being paid pennies - the temptation to get things on the cheap spreads like a disease. I was trying to say that these items showing up in national advertisements and major department stores makes it much more DIFFICULT to sell artisan goods in THIS economy with the competition of these under priced imports showing up in department stores where impulse buying by people walking in the front door for something they NEED is prevalent.
The issue I was bring up is that online sellers of artisan goods don't have the advantage of 'foot traffic' or people coming in for shoes and seeing our beautiful handcrafted items - {unless you have the ability to take your wares to craft shows, where I understand many artisans experience great fortune [personally, I am unfortunate in that I am physically unable to do craft shows]}.
The fact we are located online, buyers have to SEARCH for artisan goods. Then when they finally do find us online, at that time, if they are, or have become exposed to these cheap imports and then become more PRICE conscious than QUALITY conscious - or they just do not understand WHY artisan goods SHOULD cost them more - they are likely to choose not to buy from an artisan - or they may have already spent their budget for those accessory items on the cheap imports and do not have the extra funds to buy. The thought was, it just makes it harder for us to educate some people who are unwilling to appreciate it, have become confused because they have seen cheap imports and fail to understand the difference between the two, or they just do not have the funds.
Perhaps if we could educate people to understand that Zibbet is like a big online CRAFT SHOW it might sink in - and that's a thought that we all might want to begin promoting.
I hope this clarification helps everyone understand where I was coming from and maybe a bit about what we can to do to overcome the economic issues we are all faced with. Just as Nel and Valerie have pointed out, we do this because we love it, and bringing in cash for doing something we love is a real bonus, unfortunately it is one we may not be able to fully support ourselves on or hope to make a true living wage with. ;-)
? Reply

Permalink Reply by Emily/ExquisiteStudiosII on Friday
Oh you Goof :) I didn't take any offense and I truly hope I didn't offend you. One of the biggest things I keep seeing, I'm sure many see this too, is there's this misconception among consumers that it's okay to settle for something less than--whether it's jewelry, food, etc. If we as Artisans don't take the opportunity to educate consumers, we've missed contributing to our economy by offering the quality-infused goods that people really DO want, but haven't any idea where to look. I'm not endorsing gouging by any stretch of the imagination. I am however, trying to educate other Artisan's regarding pricing.
If YOU settle in your materials, overall quality, and the like, you've practically shot yourself in the foot. Without going into graphic detail, any Artisan can explain so much about their item in their description of it. When I see small blurbs, maybe 3 sentences or so, then a price-tag of $50, I'm immediately turned off. My reasoning? If YOU, as the Artisan, don't take the time to tell me what's so special, how am I, as a consumer, supposed to know what's so different about buying Handmade over Retail?
It breaks my heart to see this over-and-over when there's no reason NOT to shout it from the rooftops, how YOU'VE created a marvelous piece. You chose the best quality of stones you possibly could, or you so throroughly enjoy a certain color scheme and why. There's such merit and value, but when it's downplayed, any consumer will be just as deflated as the overtone of the Artisan.
In this day of automated answering services, communications via email, etc. for so many businesses, people are truly missing the personal aspect of things. Handmade brings that opportunity to the masses. Get acquainted with your customers, try harder than merely listing your items and calling it a day, conduct polls on your social-media sites, etc. This adds so much flair to your branding as well. Get YOUR name, YOUR venue's name out there on people's minds. That's all.
Sorry for the rambling--that's kind of my signature! LOL And when I've posted "YOU" within this thread--I just mean the collective-you, us :)
? Reply

Permalink Reply by strawberryfieldsArtJewelryBeadsn on Friday
Hi Emily,
It made me laugh when you called me a goof for thinking my comment wasn't clear - and no you didn't offend me, I just thought we were thinking the same thing but saying it differently in that, the people don't realize there's a difference in quality and artistry and thought I should clarify that I'm on the same page :0)
Personally, I understand what you are saying about 'selling' your items in your descriptions, and see that some people have a lot of flourishes [word descriptions] in their description section about their items, their inspiration, reason for choosing the colors and even give them a name. Unfortunately, I don't seem to have that flair - I lean more to factual statements rather than flowery and embellished types of verbiage. I lean more toward being factual I guess because that's what I mainly look for. I state the size of my pieces, size and quality of the gemstones, other materials used, if alterations or other colors, stones are available, and add gemological facts when available, the birthstone month, anniversary year, and the stones uses for healing and spirituality.
I've stated I really enjoyed making so and so on occasion, but that didn't get me anywhere. In another thread I read an artisan complained about having to read through too much 'fluff' to get the information she wanted, basically saying it was a waste of her time - and told everyone abruptly to 'get to the point' in their descriptions. So I guess that influenced me quite a bit with my own descriptions. I've also shortened my Bio information because of such criticisms I've read in various threads here and there.
I really wouldn't know what to say sometimes - "I played with several different gemstones, crystals metals and such and this is what came out" - hehehe. I don't thing that sounds very impressive. But sometimes that's how a design happens! LOL
PS I ramble too! ;-)
? Reply

Permalink Reply by Giani (galleriadigiani) yesterday
I know Emily. Emily is a champion for the handmade. We've had endless discussions over the past year about craftsmanship, time, materials, and pricing.
She will always side with the quality of handmade, and will never let anyone undersell themselves if she can help it.
It's part of why I am thrilled that she came to Zibbet.
:-)
? Reply

Permalink Reply by strawberryfieldsArtJewelryBeadsn yesterday
Emily and I are on the same page - seems we both have the same drive to help and encourage others.
I've contacted many artisans after I saw them making wonderful, beautiful things and underpricing them so much that they were GIVING away their hard work - after I found an article on 'how to price your work' that was written by another business person - I started to send a copy of that to clarify I wasn't being critical or jealous.
I've always loved encouraging people in their work - I have three children who needed a lot of encouragement - two of them worked building circular staircases in a construction business I owned with my ex, I have seven grandchildren who always need encouragement - and as a child I encouraged my classmates - I'm over sixty now - so I guess I've been at a awhile.
I hope you didn't think Emily and I were having 'an argument' because we weren't. I was under the impression we were 'bonding' over similar personality attributes [understanding there's a huge difference between imports and handmade goods, caring about and helping others, a sense of humor, and sometimes rambling], and I think that's what she thought as well.
How to Price Handmade Goods
? Reply

Permalink Reply by Emily/ExquisiteStudiosII yesterday
We ARE bonding and Giani knows that :) That guy's one of my all-time favorites! Have you seen HIS work? OMG! He's got this Onyx piece that I'm about dying over! WOW!
I think we're saying the same thing and yeah, I cannot help but to ramble, post, then ramble some more! Kind of a disorder I think? LOL
I'm so glad you do the same thing about pricing for other sellers! I about laughed myself right off my chair--"You TOO?!" That's what I immediately said aloud when I read your last post about talking with sellers about underpricing! LOL
It's hard doing that, yes? Not everyone you talk to about pricing thinks you're doing it to be helpful. There really ARE people here and other venues who have no ill-intentions and want nothing more than to see success for others.
By the way, isn't Giani the cutest Italian ever? :)

Permalink Reply by strawberryfieldsArtJewelryBeadsn yesterday
That's too funny - I wasn't able to hit 'reply' under your post Emily - the reply button is missing under your post - I think it came in too fast while I was editing - LOL
I'm glad you got a charge out of my post - I just can't help myself sometimes. When I see someone who needs help I feel like I'm being negligent or selfish, if I think I could help and I don't - I'm the type that brings home stray animals and stops to help the turtles across the road. LOL I begged my husband to go back to pick up a box turtle on a highway one night - it go clipped before we got back so we took it to the veterinarian. I also worked at a Seabird Sanctuary catching, fixing and releasing Pelicans in Florida, and companion care for the elderly.
I have a huge 'earth mother gene' or something - LOL
I have my own Italian at home - he's so good to me I don't even look at other men any more....hahaha I'll have to visit his shop and take a look at his work and find that Onyx piece your swooning over - I'm sure it's marvelous ;-)
‹ Previous 1 2 3 Next › Page RSS
Welcome to
Zibbet's Community
Sign Upor Sign In
You can also sign up with:
Trending Topics Edit
1

September 2011 New Listings Promote Them Here 2

It may be time to say goodbye to Zibbet 3

Wanted: talented zibbeteers to feature on my blog 4

The USPS Needs our Help 5

Worrying about Materials & Pricing RSS View All © 2011 Created by Zibbet.
Badges | Report an Issue | Terms of Service
var sources = ["http:\/\/static.ning.com\/zibbet\/instances\/shared\/js\/set_common.min.js?r=1316716230","http:\/\/static.ning.com\/zibbet\/instances\/shared\/js\/set_shared_c0.min.js?r=1315437396","http:\/\/static.ning.com\/zibbet\/instances\/shared\/js\/set_forum_c0.min.js?r=1315437396","http:\/\/static.ning.com\/zibbet\/instances\/shared\/js\/set_sidebar_u.min.js?r=1314648663"]; var numSources = sources.length; var heads = document.getElementsByTagName('head'); var node = heads.length > 0 ? heads[0] : document.body; var onloadFunctionsObj = {}; var createScriptTagFunc = function(source) { var script = document.createElement('script'); script.type = 'text/javascript'; /** * The code below was changed to accomodate the fact that IE9 is the first browser to support both onload and onreadystatechange for the script tag. * This was resulting in a couple execution of the callback, and thus many inconsistencies with respect to when we executed our addOnRequire code. * The change checks for the presence of readyState on the script object (all IE browsers, including IE9) and uses onreadystatechange when it's present. * For other browsers, onload is used. * * This change was made in concert with a change in head.php that uses the actual set names as object properties * and deletes those properties upon completion of the loading callback. This data-based approach ensures consistency by creating a 1-1 relationship between * asynch request and callback execution. */ var currentOnLoad = function() {xg._loader.onLoad(source);}; if (script.readyState) { //for IE (including IE9) script.onreadystatechange = function() { if (script.readyState == 'complete' || script.readyState == 'loaded') { script.onreadystatechange = null; currentOnLoad(); } } } else { script.onerror = script.onload = currentOnLoad; } script.src = source; node.appendChild(script); }; for (var i = 0; i Sign in to chat!
View the original article here